Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
God your country is fucked.
Here is the full list of Democrats that voted to table the articles of impeachment.
Find yours, call them, and let them know they’ve failed to represent the people interests.
Ro Khanna doing his standard move of cycling back and forth between pretending to be a progressive and just being utterly spineless.
I truly hope “refused to impeach President Trump” becomes a purity test in the next primary. That’s a lot of incumbents to kick to the curb, but with this vote it’s well warranted.
Only problem with this method is that there are those who voted for his first few impeachments but not this latest one, so they can say they have in the past but not specify which one.
Also it’s a sad state of affairs that we have a President whose been impeached several times.
Give a date and time. Motherfuckers you don’t get credit for kinda representing the party sometimes.
No spine
On the other hand, if they did vote for impeachment, call them and tell them to keep up the good fight.
My guy is on the list, so he’ll be getting a call from me today. He’s useless anyway. I wish he’d get primaried by a tough progressive.
Hey, have you considered running? I’m not trying to be snarky, some of these mfs basically go wholly unopposed, and you can’t possibly do worse than not running at all.
I’m not a Democrat, I’m an Unaffiliated Independent, which makes it almost impossible to win.
Besides, I have too many skeletons in my closet. I would get blown out in a dozen ways. I’m also too radical, I’d say something to end up disappeared to a Black Site.
Keyboard Warriors like me also serve a key role in spreading the message. The MAGA Nazis have the Conservative Propaganda Machine, so I can do my best to do my small part to fight them on the Left. That’s my role.
Please bear in mind that I’m trying to be helpful. If you were interested in doing more, maybe you can start a stream on Twitch, then? It would certainly get a lot more reach than Lemmy. I think Lemmy has a great role as a way for leftists to network, but its reach is really limited.
I hear you. I was a fairly big poster on Reddit, with a 12 year old account, nearly a million Karma, and a lot of followers. Then I got permabanned during the post-inauguration bloodbath.
Lemmy’s reach is growing. It feels very much like Reddit when I first started, and nobody knew what it was. Today, Reddit is on its way down, and will continue to slide as they kick out any MAGA opposition.
I’m still reaching a lot of people, and I believe Lemmy’s influence will continue to increase, as Reddit’s influence and reputation continue to plunge.
And then send them out to pasture like Andrew Cuomo.
It can be done. Do it enough, and you’ll have a party that actually represents the people.
Yup, that’s what democracy is supposed to be all about giving engaged citizens the tools to change the system to reflect their values!
God damn it. My local rep is one of those assholes.
Start beating on those primary drums.
I have sent my rep an email telling him he’s lost my vote, and will be looking to support his primary opponent come election time.
Don’t do this. Just primary them.
Do both, so they know why they lost.
It’s so other Democrats know why they lost. The message is for them but they won’t get it until it starts happening.
Sarah McBride voted against the measure that may save her life some day. Way to once again throw trans people under the bus.
Also, if your rep is not on the list, call their office and express your appreciation that they voted to move forward with impeachment.
Fuck Nancy Pelosi I swear to God
Remember these cowards names when they are asking for our votes.
And if they pass a primary vote for them anywars, because they’re still better than any GOP even if they didn’t hold a third purely symbolic impeachment.
Remember these coward votes when people say Democrats aren’t aiding Republicans for the same end goals.
I wish the office came with a mandate that they’d personally have to field constituent calls 4 hours a week.
But like so much else, they aren’t going to legislate accountability for themselves.
None from Wisconsin, wtf California?
I don’t see my representative on there, thankfully.
Does anyone have a link to which Democrats voted in support of the impeachment?
This Newsweek article only shows dissenters.
Edit: found it: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
Thank you. One of my representatives, Gabe Vasquez, is on the list and I messaged him. Funny that he put out a press release condemning the actions of bombing Iran but doesn’t want to support impeachment. What a turd.
Was surprised WV wasn’t on the list, then realized why and grew even more depressed.
How is this both senators and House of Representatives?
Well, I’ve just sent emails to the representatives that I could. Probably half of the ones from my state prevented emails from going out because my address didn’t fall in their district.
I looked up the ones in my state, and I’m just gobsmacked at how fucking ugly the districts are. I know gerrymandering is bad, but when I actually have to see it… /puke
Reminder that you can also do this if your rep voted against tabling to express support for what they’re doing and they they’re representing you well.
TBH they’re representing my interests pretty well in this case. An impeachment trial would have just been a huge waste of time unless 20 Republican Senators joined the 47 DNC caucus to remove Trump and I can tell you right now with a 99.9% certainty that wasn’t going to happen.
128 senators show their true republican colours…
Unpopular opinion here; but there’s no way an impeachment would succeed and a failed impeachment strengthens Trump’s position with his base.
Every politician over 50 besides Bernie needs to be ‘retired’
Can’t state this enough. Reboot our entire government
He should have no privilege for that.
Suddenly 99 JD Vances in the Senate.
All that does is make a whole new generation of politicians become attached to their privileges.
Depend how the retirement goes politician of today have nothing to fear we need the cult of luigi to start the luigining
I don’t understand what this comment means. The alternative is to… let them serve until they’re 80-90 years old? We need younger politicians who are personally invested in the future of this country and the planet. And term limits. We need them both.
You’re advocating a reset without a change to the underlying system. Expecting a different outcome is insanity.
Meanwhile, you’re advocating doing nothing
Am I? Please copy/paste that bit.
Don’t be coy, people are pushing for change and all you have to say in response is that the fundamental systems are still in place.
No shit, but your revolution won’t come from sitting around and waiting for it to start.
So that was what I’m advocating, sitting around and waiting? I’d have to ask you again to copy/paste that bit…
You do realize It’s not binary, right?, It’s not a choice between voting for democrats or sitting around waiting.
Did I say I didn’t want to change the system? But it’s literally impossible to do if we let these old, entrenched politicians stay in power.
Yea, an actually democratic system needs to be implemented first! And we would solve that too via that step, very few democrats would survive if an actual choice were to be given to the people!
128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.What the actual fuck
“If it won’t be successful, then work against it instead of showing support!”
Dems
This is one of those times where the Dems are trying to quiet the kid provoking the moronic yet excitable school dean.
Warm fuzzy feelings are good. Actual results are far better.
Trying and trying again to improve the odds of success are better than shooting yourself in the dick if you don’t expect to succeed.
Have fun with that. Even if Dems somehow manage to regain control I expect they’ll be just as impotent as they were 2021-2023, doing little to nothing fixing/undoing this mess, much less making any actual PROGRESS. Why do I think this do you ask? Because it’s what they ALWAYS do.
Taking the black pill is worse than useless
This accomplished neither. This showed support for his blatant constitutional violations
This certainly won’t embolden diddy Don. Dumbass
Warm fuzzy feelings are good. Actual results are far better.
Which did we get in this case? Seems like neither to me.
I mean, an Impeachment trial without any possibility of removal seems pretty pointless, yeah. It takes 67 Senators to remove. The DNC with caucus have 47. They probably don’t even have enough votes to pass a simple majority purely symbolic impeachment, much less removal from office.
The Democratic party has always just been another branch of the wealthy. Neoliberalism is a cancer that really kicked into gear when Heritage Foundation-backed president Ronald Reagan came into office. Obama (I believe in his second term) said that back in the 80s, he would have been considered a moderate Republican.
Looks like there are 212 Democrat reps in the house, which puts it at a large majority which would rather “not cause a fuss” or whatever the fuck excuse they’re trying to bullshit this time.
Useless people. Worthless people.
It’s not about not wanting to cause a fuss. It’s just a losing impeachment that people don’t want to attach their names to, probably the weakest attempt so far because so many Democrat presidents have acted in the same way. Precedent isn’t nothing.
“So many democrat presidents have acted in the same way”
One, doubt. Two, you take that entire excuse and shove it waaaay up your ass.
I wasn’t talking about the entirety of Trump’s actions, just the military actions he took without congressional approval which has been essentially every military action in my life regardless of which party was in power - and that’s what this whole round of impeachment talks was about, this time.
Regarding shoving this up my ass, I’m not into butt stuff but feel free to shove anything that strikes your fancy up your own ass if you like.
What exactly do you think the outcome would be if the house successfully initiated an impeachment?
Well that was nice of them to make a list of who wants to be primaried
128 democrats are actually Republicans,
America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.
Both sides being the Right and Center-Right.
Of course the Left has no room at the table for any of this.
Only because you didn’t vote for them! If you had voted dir them they would have behaved totally differently!!1!
Unlike all the other times you did vote for themand they did this exact same shit. this one’s different, don’t be such a child. If you don’t fall in line and lick the boot of the liberal co-conspirators, it will be entirely your fault when ice shows up to take you to the camps.
Edit: also mine because i snitched on you. But that’s actually your fault too; HOA rules say a family living in your attic is not allowed. You need to stop justifying your rule breaking with ‘fighting fascism’.
New American dream will be being sent to a comfortable and more upscale prison camp.
“I hear if youre a small business owner they send you to one of them white collar camps”
But muh “bOtH sIdEs!”
Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Pete Aguilar (California) Gabe Amo (Rhode Island) Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts) Wesley Bell (Missouri) Ami Bera (California) Don Beyer (Virginia) Sanford Bishop (Georgia) Julia Brownley (California) Nikki Budzinski (Illinois) Janelle Bynum (Oregon) Salud Carbajal (California) Andre Carson (Indiana) Ed Case (Hawaii) Sean Casten (Illinois) Kathy Castor (Florida) Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida) Katherine Clark (Massachusetts) Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri) Jim Clyburn (South Carolina) Herb Conaway (New Jersey) Lou Correa (California) Jim Costa (California) Joe Courtney (Connecticut) Angie Craig (Minnesota) Jason Crow (Colorado) Henry Cuellar (Texas) Sharice Davids (Kansas) Don Davis (North Carolina) Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania) Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut) Suzan DelBene (Washington) Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) Debbie Dingell (Michigan) Sarah Elfreth (Maryland) Cleo Fields (Louisiana) Shomari Figures (Alabama) Lizzie Fletcher (Texas) Bill Foster (Illinois) Lois Frankel (Florida) Laura Gillen (New York) Jared Golden (Maine) Dan Goldman (New York) Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey) Adam Gray (California) Josh Harder (California) Jim Himes (Connecticut) Steven Horsford (Nevada) Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) Steny Hoyer (Maryland) Val Hoyle (Oregon) Hakeem Jeffries (New York) Julie Johnson (Texas) Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Bill Keating (Massachusetts) Timothy Kennedy (New York) Ro Khanna (California) Greg Landsman (Ohio) Rick Larsen (Washington) John Larson (Connecticut) George Latimer (New York) Susie Lee (Nevada) Mike Levin (California) Sam Liccardo (California) Ted Lieu (California) Zoe Lofgren (California) Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts) Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island) John Mannion (New York) Lucy McBath (Georgia) Sarah McBride (Delaware) April McClain Delaney (Maryland) Jennifer McClellan (Virginia) Betty McCollum (Minnesota) Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan) Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky) Gregory Meeks (New York) Grace Meng (New York) Kweisi Mfume (Maryland) Joe Morelle (New York) Kelly Morrison (Minnesota) Jared Moskowitz (Florida) Seth Moulton (Massachusetts) Frank Mrvan (Indiana) Richard Neal (Massachusetts) Joe Neguse (Colorado) Johnny Olszewski (Maryland) Frank Pallone (New Jersey) Jimmy Panetta (California) Chris Pappas (New Hampshire) Nancy Pelosi (California) Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington) Scott Peters (California) Brittany Pettersen (Colorado) Nellie Pou (New Jersey) Mike Quigley (Illinois) Jamie Raskin (Maryland) Josh Riley (New York) Deborah Ross (North Carolina) Pat Ryan (New York) Andrea Salinas (Oregon) Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania) Brad Schneider (Illinois) Hillary Scholten (Michigan) Kim Schrier (Washington) Bobby Scott (Virginia) Terri Sewell (Alabama) Adam Smith (Washington) Eric Sorensen (Illinois) Darren Soto (Florida) Greg Stanton (Arizona) Haley Stevens (Michigan) Marilyn Strickland (Washington) Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia) Tom Suozzi (New York) Emilia Sykes (Ohio) Paul Tonko (New York) Ritchie Torres (New York) Lori Trahan (Massachusetts) Derek Tran (California) Lauren Underwood (Illinois) Juan Vargas (California) Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico) Marc Veasey (Texas) Eugene Vindman (Virginia) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida) George Whitesides (California)Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
But they impeached him before, so their stance is that he got better and is no longer a threat to democracy?
They just don’t feel the need to hide anymore. Most of your “Democrats” are just Republicans with a different paint job.
They are just Republicans that aren’t comfortable rounding up minorities into camps. They are cool if Republicans want to do it, but they are afraid of being associated with it for now
Also, the lobbies need their strawmen in both parties
Their stance is Trump came out of his two impeachments politically stronger than he went into them, and unless
1420 GOP Senators decide to switch their allegiance all of a sudden the act of impeachment is practically useless.Edit: I fucked up the math, thanks commenter
Plus since the proceedings were guaranteed to fail (even setting aside the party votes, while Trump has committed many constitutional violations, this one is shared by several of his predecessors and was an especially stupid thing to hinge an impeachment vote on - doubly so because it’s not technically a violation until 60 days have passed), all they’d accomplish is burning a substantial amount of political will (something the Democratic party is severely lacking in) to… accomplish nothing but making Donald even worse? He already attacks Democratic states that have shown relatively minor opposition; if their representatives supported impeachment then life could suddenly become a lot harder for their constituents. Unless you’re an accelerationist it was a bad idea all around.
(I should note I don’t support this rationale - cowardly appeasement has never worked - but I can understand it, at least in theory. I’m mostly pissed that they pulled this stunt on such a flimsy pretext when there were plenty of rock-solid justifications to base an impeachment on)
He needs to be impeached for his flagrant violations of the Posse Commitatus act, but that was more than a week ago, so nobody remembers.
- It takes 67 Senators to remove.
It takes 2/3 of voting senators to remove him. That doesn’t need to be 67 if some of them abstain, resign, are recalled, or are otherwise unwilling or incapable of casting a vote.
“He learned his lesson” I guess
It’s not about how much of a threat he is, but it’s about the friends we made along the way.
Primary. Every. Single. One.
a P.E.S.O. for president Taco’s followers, good pitch
One taco? That’ll be 128 PESOs.
Edit: that’s about 6€ or $7.50 USD. These must be LA tacos.
la tacos
Never had French tacos before, are we talking poutine french or France french?
Los Angeles tacos, but I’d be game for a poutine taco if I ever dare to set foot in North America again.
I have full faith that if the DNC had the votes to remove trump, which is 67 senators and a house majority, then they would go through with this impeachment trial.
They have 47 Senators with caucus. This was never going to accomplish anything, and I’m glad we’re saving this for later.
Why save it for later? Because it would impede Congress from accomplishing its business? But it’s a Republican controlled Congress that’s hell-bent on passing more aspects of Project 2025. So obstruction is really the only play available for the Dems.
If the shoe were on the other foot, McConnell or Gingrich would have held that brake pedal to the floor. Even though we all know there will be no personal consequences, it’s a method of Delay, Deny, Defend against the handover to fascism.
Laws pass through congress almost every day, on the 23rd this month the senate passed 13 bills including one that removed the requirement for Alaskan Native Villages to convey land in trust to the state while conducting business. We need a congress even if we don’t like the budget bill, the really bad stuff gets filibustered anyways.
Aid must go through congress, arming our allies like Ukraine must go through congress, limiting state’s powers must go through congress. Even fucking USPS distribution centers and offices go through congress.
Even if you hold the impeachment trial with no consequences, it comes off to the general public, who a plurality voted for Trump or majority voted for Trump or stayed home, as being unfair and heavily biased so it won’t gain any votes in the midterms either.
I am not. There should be an impeachment for every high crime, of which there have been a lot already. The Senate will convict eventually.
Maybe need to wait for blue midterms before getting the ball rolling.
They could have abstained then. Would have had the same practical outcome, but they would not have sent the signal of support to Trump. Also if they had voted in favor it would have shown unity and dedication to fight Trump, something that would have gotten a lot of disgruntled voters back. Instead they made sure to prove that they have learned nothing from the elections and they would rather concede power to Fascism unopposed than stop being murderous imperialists.
I could be wrong but I think Impeachment votes follow voting majority rules, not yeas against totals.
This impeachment is political ammunition, we shouldn’t shoot our shot without any chance of nailing our target.
I thought the elected representatives get to vote on every issue that is raised. Do they have a limited amount of votes in the US?
No, they don’t have to be present at all and when they are present then they have the option to vote Yea, Nay, or Abstain. I’m saying if only 50 people in the house vote total and 26 of them vote yea then depending on the nature of the vote it can pass.
Guillotine Party
Republicans first (after a fair trial of course), then maybe these guys too.
“Guillotine Party” is to the Democrats what the Tea Party was to Republicans: a complete overhaul from the inside out.
Get ready to learn what the dems are willing to do to stop any kind of left insurgency within the party.
Unless the next major fashion craze is the “Kevlar Turtleneck”, I dont think it particularly matters what they do.
Okay but if you don’t remove 20 Republicans then it still accomplishes nothing. 67 Senators needed to remove Trump from office.
… are you seriously implying that any gains the party makes are pointless if they don’t hit the 2/3rds threshold?
I’d sit this one out if I were you, take the time to brush up on politics and critical thinking.
On the topic of Impeachment, yes, it means fuck all to primary these congressmen over not holding a silly ritual with no real consequences.
Ditto for anything that requires a constitutional amendment or defeating filibuster like undoing citizens united or passing medical for all. We need to Remove the GOP, not just get better DNC.
“A silly ritual with no real consequences”
… aside from
- doing their sworn duty
- showing the people they still care and are trying
- paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc
- VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators.
Again, you’re another person who needs some lessons on politics and procedure before commenting.
Note: my bad, you’re still the same under educated, unqualified commenter as before.
- doing their sworn duty to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- showing the people they still care and are trying to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc which exist whether or not they get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted on whether or not to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators after the GOP are reduced to an extreme minority of congress.
You’ve had your chance to get better, bye troll.
Good luck convincing anybody of anything, you’re going to need it.
“Why do people downvote my posts before reading each one?”
Idk what you mean, I read before I downvoted you.
Ah so you’ve just been trolling this whole time and don’t actually have the worst take on literally every subject.
Do any of your replies ever have anything to do with the comment above them?
Heres some takes you can feel free to publicly disagree with:
Dictatorships are an offense to humanity and the largest threat to our future.
All people deserve opportunity for happiness and prosperity regardless of socioeconomic or ethnic background.
We should tax the rich such that billionaires don’t exist.
Reform should be the only goal of incarceration, which means providing the needs of inmates to accomplish that. Private Prisons should not exist.
When you say “racism is bad” or stuff like this to show how moderate you are, nobody disagrees with you. But then your dig in your heels about absolutely absurd bullshit.
You’re expecting people to give each comment the benefit of the doubt. Lemmy is small and you’ve made a reputation for yourself.
I’m sorry that you don’t agree that being against racism is a progressive stance.
Sorry but not surprised. Pretty standard for you Tankies.
